More on Unrighteous Dominion

Some individuals make injurious mistakes even when they are trying to do good.

Elder Dale G. Renlund, Infuriating Unfairness, April 2021 General Conference

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Sadly, some strict authoritarian priesthood leaders actually think they are doing good as they go about using their keys to traumatize already brokenhearted members.

See also: Unrighteous Dominion

– Tom Irvine

The Christ-like Love Kingdom of Glory

On December 8, 2019, I reached out to Elder Bruce A. Carlson of the Seventy (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) in the spirit of reconciliation after he had directed some harsh chastisement against me via Madison Alabama Stake President Keith R. Draughon some years earlier. Elder Carlson rebuffed my peaceful overture and rather spoke sternly against me saying that I would face a harsh judgment in the hereafter for my “disobedience” to LDS Church authority. He did not elaborate, but instead quickly ended the phone call which I had initiated. Further details are given in Fear & Reconciliation.

For the sake of this post, assume that this judgment, to which Elder Carlson referred, would be a denial of entry to the “Celestial Kingdom” in the hereafter (Doctrine & Covenants 76).

Rather than engage in an open debate with Elder Carlson, I will take this opportunity to politely agree with him and commend him for carrying out his leadership duties.

Indeed, I am not spiritually fit for the Celestial Kingdom by my own admission. There have been far too many instances where I have heeded the promptings of the Holy Ghost even when doing so meant breaking Church law. And I am far too empathetic to those who have left the Church due to “faith crises,” gender-related issues, etc., including some of my family members and friends.

According to LDS doctrine, there are “Three Degrees of Glory.” All mortals will be resurrected in the afterlife through the great and atoning sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ. Each resurrected being will then be sent to one of three kingdoms according to God’s judgment, although there is also some thought that we will voluntarily go to whichever kingdom where we would feel most comfortable by some self-judgment means. (There is also a sphere called “Outer Darkness” to which only the most wicked will go, such as those who have denied the “sure witness of the Holy Ghost.”)

The three kingdoms from least to greatest are the: Telestial, Terrestrial and Celestial. Entry to the Celestial Kingdom requires making and keeping sacred covenants during mortal life. The leadership of the LDS Church holds the “priesthood keys” for administering these ordinances. “Eternal exaltation” in the Celestial Kingdom also requires near absolute loyalty and obedience to the General Authorities.

These leaders have taught that many will be excluded from the Celestial Kingdom including practicing LGBTQIA+ souls. Members who leave the Church are branded as “apostates” and will likewise be excluded. Honorable people who never made the “sacred covenants” administered by the LDS authorities, if have been given the opportunity of doing so during mortality, will at best inherit a home in the second-place Terrestrial Kingdom.

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Doctrine and Covenants 93:30

All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence. 

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The purpose of this post is not to proclaim that any LDS leader or teaching is “wrong.” Indeed, I firmly believe that the LDS Church is “true” within its own sphere.

My purpose is rather to set forth an expanded vision that offers a path of reconciliation between those stalwart Church members and those who have left the Church or have never joined. Both sides can be “right.”

To wit, there is a “Celestial Kingdom” exactly as described in LDS doctrine. Or if there is not one already, then the Lord will give ample resources to those resurrected beings who desire to create this kingdom. It will be sphere of stern authoritarianism and rigid dogma. It will be exclusive for the reasons given earlier. Those who make this their eternal home will have a sort of collective happiness while mourning the fate of all their family and friends who did not “walk the covenant path” during mortality.

LDS Church founder Joseph Smith Jr. referred to there being “worlds without number” beyond earth and our solar system. (See Moses 1:33, in “The Pearl of Great Price.”)

How then would the number of “Kingdoms of Glory” be limited to just three? Subdividing each kingdom would not answer this question.

The truth must be that there are Kingdoms of Glory without number, the Celestial Kingdom being one of a seemingly infinite number. Nor can the Celestial Kingdom lay claim to being the “highest” when there are so many potential dimensions well beyond the scope of man’s finite understanding.

Surely there must a kingdom which I will call the “The Kingdom of Christ-like love, compassion, kindness, healing and empathy.”

For brevity, I will call shorten this to the “Christ-like Love Kingdom of Glory.” Membership is open to all those who actively love God, their neighbors and mankind. Families and friends can live here peacefully together for eternity regardless of which church they belonged to during mortality, or whether they went to any church at all. Black, brown, yellow, white, male, female, practicing LGBTQIA+, rich, poor, bond, free, recovering addicts, the marginalized and wounded — all will be warmly welcome in a non-judgmental, egalitarian environment. I earnestly believe that this kingdom already exists somewhere in the Universe. But if not so, then the merciful Lord will give us ample resources to build it!

– Tom Irvine

Does Doctrine Ever Change?

Or does our understanding of doctrine evolve?

See also:

https://news-jm.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/frequently-asked-questions

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/frequently-asked-questions

– Tom Irvine

SCMC Devotional, June 28, 2021

Asperger’s-Related Trauma in the LDS Church


Introduction

LDS members with Asperger’s, or high functioning autism, may face difficult challenges particularly with respect to neurotypical, authoritarian priesthood leaders. In some cases, these challenges may be deeply traumatic for the Aspie.

People with Down syndrome are easy to recognize from their neck and facial characteristics. Their behavior then confirms this. Autistic people are less recognizable by their appearance, but their condition is manifested by their behavior. Almost all church leaders will make allowances for Down syndrome people. Some leaders may misunderstand autistic people, but most make allowances for them, as well.

On the other hand, Aspies may appear and act normally most of the time, but also have subtle differences which are perplexing for leaders expecting uniformity, conformity to policies, and respect for priesthood authority.

Aspie Characteristics

Aspies tend to regard truth as an independent, immutable entity, and they steadfastly calibrate their own moral compasses accordingly. Truth and logic go hand-in-hand in the Aspie world. Aspies can be very conscientious about following rational rules but disdain man-made policies which appear arbitrary or to compromise eternal principles. Aspies thus tend to have some mistrust of leaders, until those leaders have earned respect in the meritocracy sense.

Aspies are known for being direct, speaking their mind, and being honest and determined. They have little ability or interest in chit-chat. And they easily miss social cues and are oblivious to unwritten social rules and expectations.

Aspies, particularly children, tend to take things very literally. A child may run outside and look up to the sky for falling kittens and puppies if someone says, “It is raining cats and dogs.” As Aspies mature, they began to recognize nuances and figures of speech, but they still have an instinct to take statements as literal, including those in the scriptures.

Teachers, bosses, and police officers often scan people for non-verbal cues that indicate that someone is lying or hiding something, mainly because they deal with sneaky students, employees, and possible criminals. Church leaders may do likewise as they interview or interact with members. But Aspies have their own set of non-verbal characteristics which may include lack of eye contact and repetitive motions. Some Aspies may be straight-faced, showing almost no emotion until their feelings reach a critical mass resulting in a sensory overload meltdown. These traits can be very disconcerting to a neurotypical church leader.

Each of these characteristics may result in deep misunderstandings between the Aspie and his or her priesthood leaders. In some cases, the leader will sternly counsel the Aspie to behave in a more neurotypical manner.

The Author’s Experiences

I have never been formally diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome, but I have so many Aspie traits that I identify as one. I have been blessed with many wonderful leaders over the years in church, but I have had some very traumatic experiences with others. The following are some short descriptions of a few of these.

Worthiness Interviews

I grew up making good grades in school but was very naïve as to the ways of the world. I was compliant and rarely got into any kind of trouble. My parents never gave me the “Birds and Bees” talk. I did not learn the plumbing of human reproduction until I read about it in my high school biology textbook when I was 16.

But as I turned twelve years old, well-meaning but misguided bishops began grilling me on whether I practiced something that I will euphemistically call “self-pleasuring.” I had no idea what this act was. When I asked the leaders for clarification, they begrudgingly gave me technical answers which I still could not understand. All I could discern was that this was some dark, evil practice. Warnings against this act were also frequent topics in priesthood lessons, conferences, etc.

In parallel, I was undergoing an early puberty. I began to erroneously feel deep guilt that any sexual urge or bodily reaction was related to this evil practice. I even began confessing to this “self-pleasuring” sin even though I still did not understand what it really was, nor had ever actually done it. I was able to serve a two-year mission, but even then I felt somewhat unworthy because of all the body-shaming warnings I had internalized from priesthood leaders. This was my first experience with church-related trauma. It is an example of the scrupulosity trap which can ensnare Aspies.

Jesus Christ, Names and Titles

I was in a ward once were members had developed a habit of referring to Jesus as our “Elder Brother” which he is. But they were doing so almost exclusively. I felt that the ward was neglecting the other attributes and titles of Jesus. So on Fathers’ Day I arose from the Sunday School pew and explained our Jesus is also a Father unto us and that we should wish him a Happy Father’s Day. I read aloud Ether 3:14:

“Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.”

This triggered the Sunday School President, Brother W, who said “You can’t say that! We worship the Father not the Son. Next thing you will be saying that we should be praying to Jesus, and that is not right!”

Brother W, as a young missionary, had been in a room where a General Authority had scolded the missionaries for saying similar things to what I was sharing with the class. I replied that Elder Bruce R. McConkie had given a talk where he anticipated passing on and meeting the Savior and kneeling in reverence at his feet. I said “That sure sounds like worshiping Jesus to me.”

Brother W snapped back that this form of worship only applies to cases where people met Jesus in person.

I retorted, “Who is to say He is not with us now?”

This exchange took place in front of the whole class. There was vast anger, mostly from Brother W toward me. Both Brother W and I then ended our debate. The class continued but with a dark cloud over it.

Afterward, I went to an Aaronic priesthood class with one of my sons. One of the YM gave the lesson and quoted a scripture by Alma the Younger…

“Now, as my mind caught hold upon this thought, I cried within my heart: O Jesus, thou Son of God, have mercy on me, who am in the gall of bitterness, and am encircled about by the everlasting chains of death” (Alma 36:18).

I thought, Wow! We can pray to Jesus! And I made some brief comment to the class.

The next Fast Sunday, I did something that I have rarely done before or since. I got up to bear my testimony. I spoke with much boldness in a very Aspie way. I recited Alma 36:18 and plead with the members to “talk with Jesus, he is your father.” I also acknowledged that our formal prayers should be addressed to our Heavenly Father. But we could pray or talk with Jesus privately.

The Stake President heard this and called me in to his office and rebuked me for making a “gospel hobby” out of my relationship with Jesus Christ. I actually had to defend my testimony of Jesus Christ before my stake president!

The entire theology of both the ward and stake leadership was based on a 1982 BYU talk by Elder McConkie in which he had downplayed worshiping the Son. He later changed his position in his hymn “I Believe in Christ.”

For this and many other reasons, my family and I moved out of this stake. Brother W. apologized to me as we departed.

A Widow Gasping for Air

I had a strong premonition that one of our widows would have a medical emergency at a ward Halloween party and dinner. Well, the activity went off without a hitch, and I dismissed my hypervigilance. But the next Sunday, one of our widows, Sister R, was playing the organ. She was having some health problems and had to stop playing before the sacrament hymn. She motioned to my wife to take over as organist. Then she sat back in a choir seat.

A few minutes later, Sister R began waving her arms and gasping for air. I may have been the only one in the congregation who saw this. Aspies can observe details that others miss. Immediately, I had a flashback of my premonition two days earlier. I raced up to the stand and asked Sister R if she was okay.

She exclaimed that she needed her daughter to bring the oxygen bottle from her car. I stood up, quickly scanned the congregation, but could not see the daughter. A flood of thoughts filled my head. One was that I might need to administer mouth-to-mouth resuscitation or CPR to Sister R. I felt that her life depended on me. So I did not want to leave her to go in search of her daughter.

I rapidly resolved to ask the ward members to help find the daughter so that the oxygen bottle could be brought to Sister R. I believed that every second counted and that there was no time to discuss the situation with the Bishop. So I went directly to the pulpit and effectively commandeered the meeting without any authority to do so. As I approached the pulpit, I had another premonition that was as strong as the first. – i.e. I would face a terrible consequence for interrupting a sacred meeting regardless of how justified my actions were.

The oxygen bottle was soon retrieved. A brother with medical emergency training came forward to help. We then called for an ambulance to take Sister R to the hospital where she recovered.

Sadly, the Bishop was upset by these events. The Bishop had known that Sister R was “shaky” before the meeting began. But Sister R had insisted that she was well enough to play the organ. As we were taking Sister R out of the foyer on the gurney to the ambulance, I apologetically told the Bishop that I knew I had just broke half the rules in the “Church Handbook of Instructions.” But he seemed to have calmed down somewhat and accepted what I did.

But a few days later, he called me into his office and harshly rebuked me over the incident causing me a complete meltdown. He used a scripture against me: “Mine house is a house of order.” (D&C 132:8).

I later countered in an email where I asked him to prayerfully study the scriptures about whether it was lawful for a man to heal on the Sabbath (Matthew 12). There were several months of lingering tension between us, but he eventually admitted that I had done the right thing and apologized.

Yes, Aspies have struggles with authority figures over what is “right.”

Hebrew Book of Mormon

The LDS Church briefly offered a Hebrew Book of Mormon in the early 1980s. But it was withdrawn so that the LDS Church could establish its BYU Jerusalem Center. Ultra-orthodox Jews at the time had protested that the BYU Center would be used for missionary work. So the LDS Church made an agreement that no proselyting would be conducted in Israel.

My interest in Hebrew developed over a period of many years. I have felt a melancholy emptiness in LDS Church meetings, where most of the membership is drawn from the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. I have concluded that Ephraim and Manasseh without Judah is as the sound of one hand clapping. I began attending a Torah study class a local Jewish temple. And I set a goal to read the Book of Mormon in Hebrew but soon discovered that the LDS Church does not offer one for the previously mentioned reasons.

The Book of Mormon teems with scriptures proclaiming that it must go forth unto the Jews, starting with its very title page.

“And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations” – (Excerpt from Book of Mormon Title Page).

“And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ . . .” (2 Nephi 26:12).

“O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people?” (2 Nephi 29:5).

“And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews” (2 Nephi 29:13).

“And it shall come to pass that the Jews which are scattered also shall begin to believe in Christ; and they shall begin to gather in upon the face of the land…” (2 Nephi 30:7).

So I determined that I would learn Hebrew, make a translation of the Book of Mormon, and publish my ongoing translation on one of my web pages. I put a disclaimer on each page that this was my own, amateur translation and was not endorsed by the LDS Church. I also prayed to the Lord for His approval of this effort, but I only received a faint answer that “It was up to me.”

I began the translation. In the coming years, I was twice harshly rebuked from Church Officials who called my stake president and bishop. After the first chastisement, I prayed and received a strong reply from the Holy Spirit to carry on the work.

But the second time was particularly traumatic. My stake president said that he was acting under authority from a member of the Seventy who was relaying a warning from the First Presidency. My stake president was enraged at me.

These church leaders stopped short of taking any legal or disciplinary action against me. But still I felt that I was being set up for excommunication. I even offered to resign my membership to save the LDS Church embarrassment, but my stake president did not respond to this offer.

Some years later, that stake president and the Seventy were released. That First Presidency was dissolved upon the President’s passing. But my translation remains available in pdf format online. No Jew or Israeli has ever complained to me about the translation, and BYU-Jerusalem is still operational.

As an Aspie, I took the Book Mormon’s Jewish scriptures literally, and was unwilling to defer to church policy and authority because I was hyper-focused on sharing this book’s truth with the Jews. But I paid a steep emotional toll. Somehow I am still an active member of the LDS Church, but am staying for altruistic reasons following the example of the courageous pioneer Levi Savage.

Conclusions

In the LDS Church, leaders are regarded as representatives of the Lord Jesus Christ. When a member experiences trauma, or “unrighteous dominion,” at the hands of a leader, then the member may feel rejected by the Lord Himself. The unrighteous actions of a leader can thus drive a wedge between the member and the Lord.

For a leader to show compassion toward Aspies and other neuro-diverse members, he needs one or more of the following:

  1. Experience with an autistic or special needs child or relative
  2. A degree in psychology or some special training
  3. Humility and the Spirit

In addition, Aspies need to develop coping skills to deal with authoritarian leaders.

Final Thought

“Some are lost because they are different. They feel as though they don’t belong. Perhaps because they are different, they find themselves slipping away from the flock. They may look, act, think, and speak differently than those around them and that sometimes causes them to assume they don’t fit in. They conclude that they are not needed.

“Tied to this misconception is the erroneous belief that all members of the Church should look, talk, and be alike. The Lord did not people the earth with a vibrant orchestra of personalities only to value the piccolos of the world. Every instrument is precious and adds to the complex beauty of the symphony. All of Heavenly Father’s children are different in some degree, yet each has his own beautiful sound that adds depth and richness to the whole.

“This variety of creation itself is a testament of how the Lord values all His children.”
Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin, Concern for the One, April 2008 General Conference

Tom Irvine, Asπe

See also: Fear & Reconciliation

Protect LDS Children

My Testimony

By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion. Psalm 137:1.

I wish I could return to my childhood innocence, maybe to when I was 7 years old and preparing for baptism. I had a relatively happy, sheltered early childhood. We were in a good ward, in a newly constructed stake center. The time period was 1968-69. I was excited to be baptized and prepared myself accordingly. I felt the Spirit. Life was good.

Fast forward a few decades. One of my frequent observations nowadays is “Life is messy.” I have been exposed to various primary and secondary traumas due to abuse, addiction, mental illness, unchecked anger, divorce, suicide, cancer, dementia, etc.

I have been subjected to repeated unrighteous dominion to the point that I once volunteered to resign from the Church. I have changed jobs several times due to toxic work environments. I will spare you the details since I have written about them elsewhere.

These and other experiences have caused me a great deal of depression and anxiety. Many of my family, friends and associates likewise have vexing soul wounds.

I mourn with those who have been marginalized by Church leaders, members and harsh policies.

We cannot unsee what we have already seen. We cannot unexperience that which we have experienced.

Sometimes I think my role is to heal from one or more generational curses for the sake of my ancestors and myself.

The most charitable thing that I can say about the LDS Church is that it is true within its own sphere. But God has many, many other spheres. (Doctrine and Covenants 93:30)

Ultimately, the only actions that matter are those of Christ-like love and charity.

– Tom Irvine

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“Religion is for people who’re afraid of going to hell. Spirituality is for those who’ve already been there.”

Vine Deloria Jr.

See also: Fear & Reconciliation

Saving The Church

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is losing members. The only way for it to save itself is for its leaders and members to turn from fear to love and compassion.

– Tom Irvine

When Church Leaders Call the Police on Peacefully Assembled Members

LDS Church leaders in Derby, Kansas called the police to escort Natasha Helfer and her peacefully assembled supporters off of Church property tonight, April 18. Natasha had been summoned to a disciplinary council. Two police cars are shown in the middle of the image. The total number was reportedly three cars. The stake president who was supposedly in charge is Stephen Daley.

Natasha arrived at the church with her witnesses and signed an agreement to not record the proceeding. Her phone had her talking points and data on it, but the church officials demanded she give it to them. She refused because it also had some personal, private notes on it. The officials would not go forward, and refused to allow her and her temple-recommend holding witnesses to even use the restroom and escorted them out with police presence. Four of the witnesses were women, including Jody England Hansen.

Ultimately, President Russell M. Nelson has “command responsibility” over Stake President Daley.

When Natasha stood at the Church stake center door she was not merely representing herself. Rather she was a proxy for all of us who have been traumatized by sexual shaming and unrighteous dominion.

KUTV Video

Jana Reiss Article

Isaac Barnes May and Samuel S. Wells Article

Jody England Hansen Article

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First they came for the September Six, and I did not speak out—because I was not a scholar.

Then they came for Kate Kelly, and I did not speak out—because I was not a feminist.

Then they came for John Dehlin, and I did not speak out—because I was not a podcaster.

Then they came for Sam Young, and I did not speak out—because I was not a street activist.

Then they came for Natasha, and I did not speak out—because I was not a psychotherapist.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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(Actually, I have written support message for Sam and Natasha.)


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Sadly, there appears to be a Spring 2021 purge occurring in the Church. Neesha and Kyle Brost recently resigned under threat of excommunication.

– Tom Irvine

A Consequence of Overstating Authority

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints needs fewer Inspector Javerts
and more Jean Valjeans, as well as more Bishop Monseigneur Bienvenus.

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There is a common teaching in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that its leaders are anointed representatives of the Lord Jesus Christ. Here are a few examples:

Teachings of David O. McKay

“The priesthood is the power and authority to represent God. Whenever the priesthood is delegated to man, it is conferred upon him not as a personal distinction, although it becomes such as he honors it, but as authority to represent Deity and an obligation to assist the Lord in bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.”

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“How grateful we are for restored priesthood keys that give us the power and the authority to represent the Lord in blessing His children across the earth,” said Elder Gerrit W. Gong

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See: Elder Rasband, “Standing with the Leaders of the Church

These are reassuring quotes as long as the leader is compassionate and empathetic. But the same teachings are devastating when the leader exercises “unrighteous dominion” over members. The recipient will then conclude that the Lord himself is angry and abusive toward him or her. The leader’s harsh words then become a wedge that separates the member from the Lord. Members are expected to obey and sustain the leaders absolutely regardless.

“In no case are we to be guilty of any form of abuse or unrighteous dominion or immoral coercion — physical, emotional, ecclesiastical or any other kind.” -Elder Jeffrey R. Holland: ‘Not as the World Giveth,’ April 2021 General Conference

Priesthood leaders take the name of the Lord in vain when they condemn members out of the leaders’ own frustration.

I have learned this by repetitive, traumatic experiences. One General Authority angrily told me that I am destined for eternal punishment after I called him to explain how hurt I had been the first time he exercised dominion over me.

The lesson that I have learned is that I need to have my own relationship with Jesus Christ and follow the Holy Spirit directly. I can set and maintain healthy boundaries in regard to relationships with overbearing leaders. I can control my reaction to unrighteous dominion, past, present and future.

Walking the covenant path does not require subjecting oneself to abusive behavior or a toxic church environment.

O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him, and the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there; and there is none other way save it be by the gate; for he cannot be deceived, for the Lord God is his name.
2 Nephi 9:41

Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost. 2 Nephi 28:3

I express gratitude to my priesthood leaders who indirectly taught me than I must not put my trust in man. We have the power to reconceptualize our traumatic experiences.

See also:
Fear & Reconciliation
Asperger’s Related Trauma in the LDS Church

Command Responsibility

Tom Irvine

LDS Church Surveys

Kyle Ashworth, Guest Post

No photo description available.

I’ve recently noticed an uptick in LDS church surveys being sent to active, disfranchised, and distant members.

With the Church, I never quite understand their motives—so I don’t want to speculate on why they do what they do. But one thing is more certain: the Church creates an atmosphere that prohibits open discussion and dialogue—but somehow they have to employ surveys to hear the “truth” from their members.

Imagine a world (church) where discussion of nuance and disagreement could take place in a two hour block, and freely accepted. Imagine a revelatory church where it’s issues could be forewarned long before the pews became empty and bare. Imagine a place of worship so strong that it’s strength is measured by the happiness of its members and not by the hiding of its history.

Surveys can only tell a fraction of the story, but the sound of feet leaving the chapels write novels. Hopefully someone is reading the surveys and listening to the doors close.

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Tom Irvine’s comment: My eldest son who is less active received one of these survey requests and submitted his answers. One of his biggest concerns was the “worthiness interviews” which triggered his scrupulosity, a form of OCD.